Innovating for Growth with Luiz Henrique Gondim – UNLEASH Your Inner Leader

In This Episode


Luiz Gondim is not only a senior technology executive and a professor, but also a voracious learner with over twenty years of experience leading from the front. He’s carved out his path as a CIO and as the head of technology pharma for the LATAM Group at Johnson & Johnson.

In this episode, we’ll explore the professional Luiz’s journey through the evolving landscape of technology, from his entrepreneurial beginnings in computer science to steering innovation at a corporate level. He’ll unravel the threads of his leadership philosophy, emphasizing the importance of community, positive impact, and providing a supportive space for his teams to flourish.

But that’s not all. Luiz will reveal how he navigates the complex dynamics of his role, the transition between rising technological trends, and the necessity of aligning IT solutions with core business strategies. As a lifelong learner, he’ll discuss his tenure as a professor and his journey pursuing a PhD in Software Engineering.

So, whether you’re an emerging leader or an established executive, join us as we delve deep into the leadership narrative of a man who truly understands the power of innovation, balance, and the impact of those we surround ourselves with.

Key Takeaways

1. Introduction to the Guest

  • Introduction of Luiz Henrique Gondim, his roles, and leadership experience.

2. Daily Routines and Personal Philosophy

  • Luiz’s early morning routine.
  • Discussion on intermittent fasting and breakfast routines.
  • Importance of family time and dinner rituals.
  • Luiz’s advice on career paths and the significance of work environment and learning.

3. Professional Journey

  • Luiz’s early interest in problem-solving and entrepreneurship in tech.
  • Transition from web to mobile development.
  • Experiences in a new manager training program.

4. Challenges in Technology and Innovation

  • Bridging technology with business solutions.
  • Adopting technology to solve problems, not for novelty.
  • The pressure of rapid technology emergence and staying innovative.

5. Leadership Philosophy and Team Management

  • Creating a safe space for communication within the team.
  • Listening and responding to team needs to promote happiness and performance.
  • Encouraging learning and benchmarking to foster a culture of innovation.

6. Work-Life-Community Balance

  • Luiz’s gratitude for life and the importance of enjoying it.
  • Balancing family and work without sacrificing personal passions.
  • The shift towards individualism and the challenges of loneliness.
  • Instilling values of impacting others positively.

7. Networking, Mentoring, and Personal Impact

  • The significance of networking for professional growth, even for introverts.
  • Finding fulfillment and purpose through being a father.
  • Luiz’s openness to networking and mentoring in support of his work.

8. Perspectives on Technology and Organizational Alignment

  • The role of pivotal moments in career shaping approaches to technology.
  • Strategic alignment of IT solutions with business objectives.
  • Luiz’s ongoing role as a professor and the reciprocal benefits of teaching.

9. Lifelong Learning and Personal Development

  • The pursuit of a PhD in Software Engineering.
  • The impact of being surrounded by inspiring and knowledgeable individuals.
  • Advice on building a network of complementary partners and peers.

Guest Bio

As VP and CIO for the Johnson and Johnson LATAM group, Luiz has learned that staying ahead is key in today’s tech-driven world. Luiz is accountable for driving the region’s digital transformation and growth, introducing cutting-edge tools and IT business integration to maximize impact. Luiz has delivered double-digit growth over the recent years, spearheading the patient services program across all brands and geographies, salesforce performance management and omnichannel engagement for healthcare providers. In addition to his hands-on work, Luiz is a Ph.D. candidate at Cesar School. He completed an MBA from Columbia University and an EMBA from the Business School of São Paulo after earning his BA from FAAP and FATEC Santos University. As an adjunct professor at Cesar School, Luiz maintains a black belt in academically accredited innovation processes.

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Angie Lee [00:00:36]: Welcome to our show. This is Angie Lee, and you’re listening to the Leadership Narratives Podcast. Today we’re talking about innovating or growth with Luiz Gondim, who is an expert on this topic. I mean, having someone of this caliber on my podcast is such an honor. Luiz is a globally recognized transformational technology executive, a professor, and a writer with over two decades of leadership experience. Luiz assumed the role of CIO, the head of technology pharma for the LATAM Group at Johnson Johnson. Today, we’ll discuss everything from learning about Luiz’s journey and examining the impact of innovation on business growth and learning how successful business leaders use creative strategies to drive massive results. So with that, thanks for joining us.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:01:20]: Thanks so much for having me.

Angie Lee [00:01:22]: So glad to have you here today, Luiz, so that we can get started here. And this is a question that I ask all of my guests. What did you have for breakfast today?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:01:31]: That’s a great question. I got some water and rotation.

Angie Lee [00:01:37]: Good. That seems like a very light start of the day. That’s great.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:01:41]: Most of the days I don’t have breakfast.

Angie Lee [00:01:43]: I find that to be a very common theme for most busy and executives that are always on the go and they have to sort of get out of the bed and start the day going, whether it’s with exercise or meditation or really taking care of their bodies as soon as they wake up. So last guest or the last couple of guests that I had shared with me that they typically fast in the morning or they practice intermittent fasting. Is that true, what you do?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:02:14]: Yes, normally that’s what I do.

Angie Lee [00:02:15]: And how long has that been a practice of yours?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:02:17]: I’ve been doing since 2016? Yes, six, seven years.

Angie Lee [00:02:27]: And what would you say are some of the benefits that it creates just in terms of your daily routine or maybe some physical impact?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:02:34]: I think it’s good for focus in the early beginning of the day. I think that’s something that I saw some increase in focus in the morning. Of course, I try to have an early dinner as well like 07:00 p.m. Something like that. And then I do the fasting probably till noon. That’s when I have lunch. That’s the heaviest meal that I have during the day. Dinner is also something light, but I don’t do fasting every day.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:03:07]: After a couple of years and some doctors, they kind of point out that it’s good for you to do three, four days a week. So that’s why today I had the protein shake. But again, protein shake and water, I think it’s good as well for you to start the day, keep light.

Angie Lee [00:03:26]: Yeah, that’s a great takeaway. And I didn’t realize that fasting every day or practicing intermittent fasting every day is not so healthy for some of us because I know that’s a very big trend nowadays. Right?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:03:39]: Yes, exactly.

Angie Lee [00:03:40]: Certainly something good to know. Thank you for sharing your daily routine. And I think this is certainly helpful to understand more about you as a person and your journey. So a little bit more questions regarding your personal life. We’ll go into details in that in just a little bit here, but let’s go ahead and talk a little bit about your professional journey. So, Luiz, if you can share a little bit about your early life or your early career and how it has influenced your career path today.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:04:10]: I always had the curiosity of solving problems. So it’s something that I always like, like puzzles, legal, like this kind of things is something that I always liked it. When I started my career, I was always thinking about computer science was a new course at the day that I started and was something that I identified that was something that potentially would be something huge in the future. So when I started, I started as an entrepreneur with some colleagues in the college. It was in the early 2000 and Internet boom. So everybody talking about Internet, Internet being more popular, companies having their websites. So these kind of things. And we started doing these kind of things for companies.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:05:04]: We had some kind of success for one year, one year and a half. And then we decided that, okay, this is not something that it became a red ocean very fast. So a lot of small companies and then a lot of big companies buy the small companies. And then we said, okay, let’s stop doing that and let’s think about something else. And then we started thinking about mobile. But again, 2001, we started thinking about mobile, but it was super early stage. I think that time, it was not that good. Then we stopped it because we didn’t have markets, we didn’t have smartphones at that time.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:05:43]: The phones were not very intuitive. People didn’t know how to use web in the phones that were not smart like nowadays, very tough to think about 20 years ago, but that’s what happened. And then I joined a program in a big company in Brazil that was a kind of a training program focused on developing new managers. And then I started my career. I was in a group that was a sales group, but I was responsible to developing sales systems. So my background helped me to develop the process behind what was supposed to be the sales systems for the sales representatives. And because of that, I started my careers in the sales group, but always focused on technology and process. It was a mix between process and tech.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:06:33]: And what was great is that I spent 8 years within commercial areas, always talking about process technology, but learning a lot of about business. That sometimes is a lack. When we talk about tech and commercial areas, the tech group doesn’t understand the business and the business does not understand the tech. So this was something that was great in my career because I could learn a lot about commercial and at the same time use my degree that was in computer science.

Angie Lee [00:07:02]: That’s great. Thank you for sharing that. And when you think about the early two thousand s and for me personally, it feels like it was not that long ago, right? But when you think about the early 2000s, it was 911 era and all of that happening, and can’t believe it’s over two decades now since all of that has happened. And that’s behind us. Luiz, you talked a little bit about experiencing some challenges, and I’m just curious to learn more about what are some of the challenges you experienced where you had to bridge the gap between present day technology and future innovation.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:07:39]: That’s a great question. Just to your point, something that I saw the other day, that if back to the future was shot today, the Macfly will be back in 1998. It’s kind of crazy. Anyway, so bridging technology for me is the challenge, how you adopt something that is new, but not because it’s a shiny object. You need to find a business problem that maybe a node technology can solve, but at the same time you can test anyone and then you apply that with a business problem, not just because of the tech, but because there is a purpose to use that tech. I think during my career, one thing that I learned a lot is that sometimes the technology developed for something, but because of a business problem, you apply the technology for something else and then you bridge it again.

Angie Lee [00:08:41]: That’s a really good know. They say that technology is only as good as the end user, right? So understanding and based on research how technology evolves and how we apply that technology to solve business problems. I think that is just spot on. Luiz, what pivotal moments in your career has influenced your current approach to technology and innovation?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:09:03]: I think was every time that we had a problem, that the current technology was able to solve part of the problem, and then we had to innovate. We had to figure out new ways of doing what we are proposing, but with a new technology. So, for example, the usage of NFC, near field communication, or RFID, or GPRS, pretty much what we were trying to solve at that moment was to track our asset, and it could track any of these three technologies, and one was newer than the other. But what was the best one for the meter when we were talking about technology and new technology? Nowadays, I believe that the curve is decreasing the lead. So before us, 50 years, then 25 years, then ten years, then today is three, two, one year. Every year, you have a new technology that can be applied, solving the problem that you have. So for me, like understanding the problem and how you’re going to use the technology, the new technology with the problem, I think that’s the pivot time for me. And there is no one single point in time, but every time that you have a problem, that the technology that we have are not going to solve the entire problem.

Angie Lee [00:10:35]: That’s a great insight. That’s a great piece of nugget that you shared with us. It really goes back to understanding the business problem and the challenge that you alluded to earlier, and understanding that before you tackle the technology, the roadmap, or the creation or the development of actual technology piece. Luiz, in your experience, how critical is the alignment between IT solutions and organizational strategy?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:11:01]: Yeah, that’s very good point and very important. Sometimes the organizations, they have silos because of the silos and because of the targets, they don’t talk each other even. Sometimes the targets can flee. Someone can have a target setting a budget, someone else needs to spend something else, and then the targets are not talking each other or the timing as well. The timing does not align. So having a good process of target cascading from top to bottom is really important. So the organization needs to be aligned from the strategy to the execution. If the strategy is not well aligned and not well cascaded to each one of the functions, there will be siloed targets that, at the end of the day, will not maximize the results.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:11:59]: So it’s essential that top to down there is discussion and alignment of the strategy.

Angie Lee [00:12:06]: That’s a wonderful way of summarizing a very complex topic. Thank you. For that, let’s switch gears and talk a little bit about your experience as a professor. I know that you are currently acting as an adjunct and professor at Caesar School. Can you elaborate on your role as a professor at Caesar and how it complements your work in this field?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:12:29]: Yes. Time to time I give some classes. This is not something that I have a big commitment because of the time and because of my agenda and because of the kind of course that I give classes. I give more executive classes, so the courses are more required. And then my commitment is to a very specific module that’s AI in operations. So how we use analytics for operational service, I think that’s important for any professional not to give classes, but to update yourself as you are discussing. Technology evolves so fast and giving classes forces you to keep studying because you have to teach something new. Of course the foundation is going to be the same, but for example, I’m going to give a class that everybody’s talking about now, Gen AI.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:13:32]: Of course I need to give some pieces of what is Gen AI about? How can we use, what is this for? So it’s a kind of evolution. So I think it’s important for any professional to keep updating and always learning about new content. And giving class is something that enables me doing that and forces me doing that.

Angie Lee [00:13:54]: I can certainly identify with that as a professional trainer myself, teaching others or training others on the topic that I might still be learning about or topic that I might be speaking on really helps me to reinforce those ideas and the learnings. Because of through teaching, you obviously learn and you grow. I know that you value lifelong learning and this is a conversation we’ve had many times, and you’re currently pursuing a PhD in Software engineering. Could you share some key learnings that have significantly influenced your professional journey?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:14:27]: Yes. I think people that surround you influences you a lot. You need to be surrounded by people that compliments you, that sometimes knows more than you, or most of the times knows more than you. And I always try to get leaders and people that push me like forward. So for example, was an advisor that we had in my previous company and we were discussing it someday and he said, you should be doing a PhD. I said, man, no, it’s like, not for me. They don’t have time, its too academic for me. And my last MBA was a couple of years ago and was more easier and so on.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:15:17]: PhD is really academic and so on. I said, no, you can do more. A kind of professional f course you need to have some background to sustain your thesis, but the things that you’re doing is something that it’s really unique and can provide a good insight for new professionals, for the academy and so on. So he could convince me in a way that nowadays I look 2 years back and I say, it’s a lot of work and you have to dedicate some time more than I was predicting. But it’s two years now. I already qualified my thesis. I had my last meeting with the person that is my master and gave me all the advices.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:16:04]: I have to do some final adjustments and then probably between October and November, I’m going to be able to defend it. I don’t know if you’re going to be the first and last or the first, and I have to go again, but I’m really optimistic that I’m going to be able to defend it in a good way, at least learning more. So, in summary, I would say people that surround you is the one that’s going to push you forward. You need to find and be surrounded by people like you, for example, that all the interactions that you have, you always give me some insights, provide me a call.

Angie Lee [00:16:41]: That’s a wonderful advice. And I think I’ve heard that time after time that you’re an average or you’re a sum of 5, 7 people that you surround yourself with. But I think one of the most, biggest challenge that we face today is finding Those people. Whether it’s you surrounding yourself with people at work or going out, finding friends, finding the right people to bring into your network or into your circle, I think that is probably one of the most challenging things we face because the quality of relationships have changed over the years. What advice would you have for someone who is sort of starting out on their leadership journey and who is looking to really build their network with the right people, with the quality people that you describe?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:17:30]: In my case, at least, I try to get, like always, you always have 1, 2, 3 people that you trust that you can ask for. Okay, can you point out for me a kind of direction for this matter that you’re good at and I’m not that good. So you need to find people that complement. I think that’s the challenge, as you’re saying, and how to find these people you find in your journey, in your work, sometimes in your college, when you’re starting. The thing is that you need to force yourself to meet new people, to do some network. I was in, I think it was one month ago in New York in a conference, and I heard someone saying that I’m introverts. I don’t like to meet a lot of people, but I saw that this was a depreciation in career of other people. And then I remember that I was in an event.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:18:32]: I could not talk to anybody. At certain point in time, people was asking me for help, for organizing, but not really interact with me. And then after these moments, I decided to know every time that I go to an event, I have to talk to three different people. Of course, not all the events the person was able to talk to three. Sometimes it was 1, sometimes it was 2, sometimes it was 4. But she was forcing herself to meet people. I think for people that are extrovert, easy to do this, but for people that are not that natural, it’s a little bit more challenge. And that to your points, how will I meet these people that will compliment me for the ones that are extroverts is easy for the other ones.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:19:21]: I would say force yourself every time that you are in an environment that you see people that you believe that can contribute to your journey towards yourself. To talk, to meet, to then schedule a cough or a one on one. I think that’s what we should be doing. And then by doing that, you’re going to find the ones that really will help you to find what you’re looking for. Because if you don’t meet people, your sample is going to be very small and then you are not going to find the right ones. As I say, nowadays, everybody has an opinion, everybody knows everything. Everybody’s an expert. 

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:20:04]: But you know that there was that point to the right direction and you have to meet a lot of people.

Angie Lee [00:20:13]: I love how you started out talking a little bit about sort of creating a personal board of directors as people in your network that you can rely on for information or even just decision making or just to have as a sounding board. That’s absolutely critical. The other point you mentioned about whether you’re an extrovert or introvert, I happen to be an introvert with social skills. So for me, even when I go to these conferences or industry meetings, it’s very hard for me to get up and take initiative unless I’m being intentional about doing that. So that is such a great takeaway for me, is to continue to think about how you can push yourself forward. You have to step outside of your comfort zone. You have to continue to push yourself forward and meet new people and network. And don’t be afraid of being vulnerable as you develop these relationships.

Angie Lee [00:21:07]: Those are such great takeaways because I think we get so complacent right because we are comfortable and happy at home or at our offices, at our desks. But we don’t want to venture out and do these things that bring us change, or whether it’s a season of change or things that make us feel uncomfortable, I think we tend to just block that away from us. So that’s a great reminder. Thank you for that. Lily, how does your philosophy towards leadership? I’m really interested in hearing about how has that shaped your career so far?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:21:44]: During my career, I was very lucky. I had a very good leaders that taught me very different views. So from communication, from confidence on how to speak during a presentation, also, I had some leaders that they were very good, like on listening or providing a safe space. So I tried to collect a lot of things that I saw that were important for me. And at the same time, I saw most of characters that people used to value and to really embrace. And nowadays I was talking today with my team and my extended team about leadership and so on. And one of the things that I told them is that people is the foundation of everything. So there is no such a job without people can’t talk about automation as we’re talking about technology.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:22:50]: You need to have some load to automate, you need to have some load to implement, you need to have people to adopt. So at the end, people is the foundation and people need to be happy, they need to be helped. So they have to take vacation, so they have to have time out, they have to have time to think about what they’re doing. And this is only provided with a leader that provides a safe space for people to communicate, to tell what they need, and so on. So providing a safe space for people is really important. This is one of the characters that I would say that’s really important and there is others, but I would say that’s the other thing that I mentioned today to my team was that people really need to listen and kind of create space for people to talk. Because if you don’t create these spaces, you never understand what is going on in your organization with your teams. And then it’s very tough for you to, first, take advantage on different SKUs, second, take advantage on hearing from people and adapting your opinion and also the things that you need to do and make sure that people are really developing and performing where they are really good at, because sometimes there is some mistakes that people are not in the right space.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:24:11]: So listen to your team is really importanT. So leaders need to provide a time for people to talk. Otherwise you never know what is going on.

Angie Lee [00:24:21]: I love that the fact that you’re sharing that people as foundation and making sure that you communicate your message, or just communicate in general, to have that open line of communication with all the members of your team so you know what’s going on with everyone and checking in with everyone is certainly a critical aspect. I think this kind know ties to the next topic, which is about the culture of innovation. So I’m curious to know, Luiz, how do you foster a culture of innovation within your team?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:24:52]: Yeah, that’s a great challenge as well that we have. I think at the end of the day, innovation is something that emerges, the entire organization. So everybody’s going to be searching for doing things in a way that they can leave their mark. I think that’s part of the culture of organization. So that sometimes is good and sometimes it’s bad, but part of everybody searching for ways of doing new things and the way that I push people to make sure that they are going the right direction is first set the priorities. Make sure that everybody at least understand, okay, what the priorities are. Because then they can push themselves to find new ways that can be incremental innovation or even think about new ways of doing the same thing. That can become a disruptive innovation, but with a priority in mind.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:25:41]: Otherwise, people can deviate a lot and then this is not good for the business. And when I’m talking about deviating people that have a specific role, if you have like a set of individuals that are meant to search for your things and completely go on many different directions, that’s fine. But for the core, it’s important that you set what the priorities are, because then they can even think about how to innovate, but within a set of guardrails, let’s say. And then I always tell to my team that they have to invest time in learning, in benchmarking and so on. So they have to search for companies like ours and do benchmark, go to events, do some courses and really develop themselves, because that’s the only way that they will be able to innovate. If they don’t open their minds to things that others are doing or for new ways of doing things, they not be able to innovate 100% of their potential, let’s say. Maybe they will do something that’s very small but not exercising 100% of their potential. What I try to make sure that my team has is liberty for them to achieve this 100% of their potential.

Angie Lee [00:26:59]: That’s a great piece of nugget again, practicing and promoting lifelong learning within your team, emphasizing the importance of leveling up and knowledge sharing and everything in between. Louis, give us a little bit of an insight into one thing that you are deeply grateful for right now.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:27:18]: Grateful for a lot of things, for my family, for my health, for the life that we have, the people that we talk. So I would say that’s a life itself. And overall, I think it’s a blessing, and we need to enjoy it. I think it was yesterday I wasn’t my daughter, my young daughter. I have three daughters, and they hold. Once she said something that was very funny because it doesn’t make any sense, but makes a lot of sense that was, if you don’t have a life, you cannot live it. That’s it. As you are here, we need to enjoy it.

Angie Lee [00:27:52]: I love that. And I think we’re going to have to quote her. That’s a great takeaway. It is true, right? You can’t have a life unless you have it. So, Lily, on that note, how do you seek a balance, if you do believe in having a balance between work and life, how do you seek a balance between family life, your work life, and all of your personal passion? Because I know you’re a very busy person.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:28:14]: Some things that’s not necessarily, again, things that works for me. So I don’t sleep a lot. That’s one thing. But again, I am okay with that. I sleep like five, 6 hours, 6 hours a day. And that’s fine. That’s something that is good for me. So then I have time because most of the times I’m waking up 05:30 a.m.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:28:34]: So I have time then to do the things that I like to do in the morning. Sometimes, I go to the office a little bit early to put my reading and my mail and things that normally you get behind on time. And because of that, because I’m working in different ways and sometimes in different hours, I can make myself available to my family, like late afternoons. And then, of course, I try to make sure that every time that I’m not traveling, I try to make sure that I have dinner with my family every day, once every time I have breakfast. Well, with my older daughter, I have breakfaster with her everyday. When I wake up, I’m the one responsible to make sure she’s going to school. She leaves like 6:00 am.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:29:27]: So for the time that we’re together, I try to make sure that the time that we have is quality time. So we do things that everybody enjoys. I try to provide them time for the things that they like and when they are with me, I try to make sure that it’s quality time so try to make sure that we do things together. and sometimes hours is different to manage, but the way that i manage is that I have my sleep under control. So I have, like late evenings and early mornings.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:29:58]: So in between working and spare time. I’m doing things together with them and things for me like riding my motorcycle or sometimes going to my jujitsu class. so i do things in between as well.

Angie Lee [00:30:13]: That’s a great takeaway, prioritizing for what’s important, right. Whether it’s family time or jiujitsu or writing, it’s certainly about managing your time and prioritizing what’s most important. Luiz, for someone who is sort, I guess, early part of their career journey, becoming a leader, whether it’s in technology or health, what’s one piece of advice which you have would you give to someone who is sort of starting out?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:30:42]: Yeah, I would say, first, make sure that you’re doing what you like. The first thing, not pursuing a career because someone just told you to go. I would say go for something you like because the other things will come. It’s going to be like one after the other. So do something that you like. Once you find something that you like, make sure that’s you keep learning. You’re going to learn till end of your day. So there is no such a thing as, I did my college, now I’m good.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:31:14]: No, I didn’t. My MBA, now I’m good. I did my PhD, now I’m good. There is no such a thing. The other thing that I heard from this presentation, this last presentation that I did to my mentor for my PhD is that he said, at the end of the day, when you finish your PhD is just for you to know that you know. So it’s a door that you’re going to open to say, okay, what I’m going to do next. It’s true. I was even talking to him about my kids.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:31:45]: I’m writing for two years and tried to do it. I said, probably everything already changed. I’m going to do it. I’m going to have to rewrite everything again. So I think that’s something that we need to make sure that their devices keep learning. Make sure that you update yourself with books, with podcasts nowadays, we have so many resources. All the books with people that you trust, with data, because opinion, everybody has an opinion. But try to make sure that every time that you learn something, there is content behind, not just an opinion.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:32:18]: So make sure that you keep learning. I think that’s the second one. And third, make sure that you choose well where you’re going, who you’re going, because at the end of the day, you’re going to spend like 8910 hours working with people that are not necessarily your friends, the ones that you elect, like in the college or the school or the gym, but are people that show most of the time. So you make sure that you admire these people, that you count on these people. So again, at the end of the day, you need to have great people surround you, because like you said, Angie is like the average that you’re going to become is the people that you surround yourself. So you need to admire people that you are going to work with and what you’re going to do.

Angie Lee [00:33:09]: It sounds so practical, right? Pursuing something you’d like and being surrounded by people you like. But it’s harder to actually practice that than the way it sounds because I think so much of our emotions or the way we feel about things get in the way of our decision making. But I think when we understand the true purpose that we have in our work, in our family lives or in work lives, that sort of serves as a North Star, if you will, and that guides us to continue doing what we like and sort of understanding the why behind the reason. What message do you have, Luis, for people who are seeking change to know about their true purpose in life? Is there any specific advice you have?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:33:56]: I don’t know if I have the answer for that. What I would say is that meaning life is the people that surround yourself. I think that’s what’s going to drive. Of course, when you start your life, it’s your parents, your family. Then when you get married, in my case, for example, my wife is the one that puts my life easier. Without her, I cannot do the things that I do because she’s organizing everything to the kids, to me and so on. So you need to have a support, someone that you trust, Megan, your partner, your wife, your husband, whatever, is the person that you trust, your parents. You need to have this network of people that you trust as well, your friends, your colleagues from work.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:34:41]: At the end of the day, nobody lives alone for more that you want to say, I want to do this by myself and I can do this on my own and so on. At the end of the day, you’re always going to need someone and it’s important that if you’re going to need someone, why not the ones that you trust, the ones that can help you, the ones that really care about you? Teach my kids as well. Make sure that you surround yourself by people that care about you. There is no such a way of. You have 100% of people that you’re talking that you care about you. You’re going to have, like, a few people that are the ones that you’re going to trust, that are the ones thAt’s going to provide meaning to your life. So the meaning to my life, and if I can say to the people that are looking or searching for something like that, is you do things mostly because of the others. So I do things for my kids.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:35:34]: I do things for my wife. I do things for my parents. At the end of the day, I see. I did this for me, but I was the last one. It’s not because I’m the last one. No, it’s not because of that. Because by doing things for the ones that I care, I’m happy. It’s not that I’m not happy or I’m forgetting about myself.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:35:52]: No. It’s because I like to do things for them and make sure that my coworkers, for example, why the people that work with me, I want to make sure that they are okay, that they are safe, that they are the things that matter. At the end of the day, they can tell I did this, this and that. I participated in this, this and that. I collaborated with this and that. So how you drive in these directions, I would say that it’s a very profound question. There is a lot of things that still will bring meaning to your life. But taking care of the ones that you care and make sure that you’re surrounded by people that care about you as well.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:36:29]: It’s important.

Angie Lee [00:36:31]: Thank you so much for that, Luiz. That message resonates with me on a personal level. And I hope that this is a message that everybody out there can really hear. Because the way that our society is going right now is we’re starting to, or we have been valuing individualism more than a value of family, for example, or a value of community. I think I touched on this with another guest on a different episode, was about the loneliness and how the state of loneliness has overcome our society. And I think there was a research done about. And they studied the market in London, and this was three years ago. And how loneliness itself is so detrimental to your health.

Angie Lee [00:37:15]: Like smoking a pack of cigarettes. Right? Because people are not engaging in communities or groups, they are choosing to be alone. They’re choosing to live alone. They’re choosing not to get married, not to have less interactions than ever before. So hearing you talk about that, I think that not only resonates with me personally on such a deep level, because that’s what I preach, telling people that if you want to do something, if you want to find your true purpose in life, you have to understand why you’re doing that and to your point of serving others. And through that, you gain a level of satisfaction and happiness or even fulfillment. I think that is such an important element of what’s missing in today’s society.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:38:00]: Yeah. Well, thank you. I think. Yes, I agree completely. Again, I think we are here at the end of the day, with a mission that’s not only for us. I impact a lot of people, and at the end of the day, I want to make sure that I’m impacting in a good way or why, not caring about others or about doing something that’s on your reach, something very simple for you that means a lot to the person that you’re doing. So that’s important.

Angie Lee [00:38:30]: And I love the fact that you’re instilling those values on your children and your kids, so they understand how important it is to carry that out going forward. So thank you so much, Luiz. And this has been such a great conversation. I do have one last question for you, and this might make you think a little bit, is, what would you.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:38:47]: Consider to be your superpower power nowadays to be a father? That’s my superpower. Every time that I have to do something extra or go an extra mile or not thinking about something, that I’m feeling pain or something, that I had so many surgeries, the history behind, but every time that I have to do something, my daughter comes to me and say, let’s play, or let’s do this or let’s do that, I think that’s the sum for the Superman, how you energize yourself and go, I think that’s my superpower. Being a father nowadays, I think it’s my superpower.

Angie Lee [00:39:28]: I love that because I was having the same conversation with a friend of mine about how having children later in life has gave this friend of mine, who’s also a male executive in a large company, he said, I found purpose. I found meaning to life by becoming a father. And before experiencing fatherhood, he didn’t understand the depth. Right. And the level of fulfillment that fatherhood brings to one’s life. And I guess it’s one of those things unless you are a parent or unless you are experiencing that yourself, you would never truly know. So that’s great. Thank you for that.

Angie Lee [00:40:04]: Luiz, how can our listeners support you and your work?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:40:09]: That’s a great question as think. Thanks for that, Angie. I think your listeners know more about the work that you do and knowing about your guests. I think it’s something that the network of effect is something that, of course will help everybody’s work, let’s say in this way. I think the exchange of experience and tips, one on one coffees, I think I’m really open to meet new people, to mentor, to be mentored, to coach, to be coached. So to exchange experiences, I think the way that people can help me is really provide me insights and new ways of doing things and really exchange experiences. I think that’s the best way. That’s.

Angie Lee [00:41:04]: I would say that’s great. And Luiz, what is one final thought that you want to leave our listeners with?

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:41:13]: Summary of everything that you discussed on the professional level, I would say that search for something that you like. If you’re a leader, make sure that you provide safe space to your team to listen to. Really make sure that the team is happy because they will produce more on your personal life, I would say make sure that you have time to do things for you, really, the balance that the things that you like. Make sure that you’re doing your work with the energy that you need. So take your time off. Do the things that energizes you because that’s the way that you’re going to be a better professional and a better human.

Angie Lee [00:41:54]: Those are great pieces of nuggets to take away. And we will go in and have social media links and making sure that we have the show notes on our website on So you know where to find Luiz. So you can reach out to him and say hello, drop a word or maybe reach out for coffee. Luiz, thank you so much for your time today and just sharing so much knowledge and your story with our audience. And we also want to thank our audience for tuning into this week’s episode on Leadership narratives. If you’ve taken away something today that will help you to tweak how you lead, or if you want to just tell us about how it went, you can review the show where you’re listening to this podcast. Be sure to tune back next week for another episode from Leadership Narrative with an industry giant.

Angie Lee [00:42:44]: Thank you so much for your time.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:42:45]: Thanks so much and thanks for having me.

Angie Lee [00:42:49]: Thank you. We’ll see you later. Take care.

Luiz Henrique Gondim [00:42:51]: Take care. Bye.

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